In the midst of Alaska winters, I dreamed of warmed weather. I counted down the days to an RV life where I wouldn’t be in cold, dark, snow-and-ice winters again. In an ironic twist, the first three months of my RV life included freezing temperatures, snow and ice. At least I managed to avoid the extreme limited daylight hours by being south of Alaska. One of the results of cold weather, I learned the hard way, is condensation. And one of the results of condensation is mold. I tell you this story as a cautionary tale in hopes you don’t find yourself in a similar situation.
Let’s file this under the category of Things I Wish I Had Known. I never read it on the blogs I followed leading up to my RV life. I never saw RV vloggers address it. And it wasn’t mentioned in my trailer’s orientation.
I wish I had known.
Here’s What Happened
I picked up my trailer on October 24, 2017. Because I’d spent the day at the Oliver office for my orientation (link?), I had less than thirty minutes of light once I was set up at the campground. So there was only time to grab what I needed from the van. Purse, computer, Kitty’s litter box, a pile of blankets, pillows, pajamas and some food to get us through the first night
I have two thick plush blankets from my king-size bed in my sticks-and-bricks. I folded one to fit the bunk-sized mattress. The other, I’d pull over me. It wasn’t a great setup but it would work until I could find the sheets I’d purchased before I left Alaska.
It was chilly at night in Tennessee. I love those plush soft cozy blankets so much I ended up not changing my set up until I arrived and settled in Washington State a few weeks later. Plus it took me that long to find the memory foam, mattress pad and sheets in “storage.” AKA the van. AKA the tow vehicle.
When I picked up the corner of the mattress to put the mattress pad, I was shocked. The bottom of my beautiful brand new mattress was dotted with black spots. I knew instantly what I was seeing. Mold. I was disgusted and horrified.
What I didn’t know was how the heck it had happened.
What I Learned
Mold grows where there is damp or decaying organic matter. Sealed areas with moisture (even a small amount) are ripe for mold growth. A friend in construction informed me that as soon as a structure gets a 5-star energy rating, workers go around and drill holes in the structure. Many 5-star structures are too energy efficient. They are so sealed, so energy efficient, that they become mold factories. He said my molded fiberglass trailer was the equivalent to a 5-star house.
Clean Up
I took his advice and did the same thing he does when he finds it in a house. I got out the bleach. He advised me to put it in a spray bottle diluted with water, lightly spray the mattress and let it dry.
Never one to go half way, and being thoroughly disgusted by what I saw, I took his advice to the extreme. First I took a cotton ball dipped in bleach and touched the worst of the black spots. (It was worse in one area but it took me weeks to figure out why.) Next I filled my spray bottle with bleach. No dilution here. I sprayed the bottom and the edges of the mattress.
Drying it became the biggest challenge. It would’ve been easier in warmer a temperature but I was already fighting a cold trailer. (In the near future I’m going to write a post about quote-unquote four-season trailers). In a small trailer, setting up the mattress is not easy. But I managed to finagle the thing into an upright position. Then I turned my tiny space heater on high and waited.
Slowly it dried and slowly many of the black dots disappeared.
Not all of them. But I was kind of done with it on that day after all the hours spent on the project. I decided eliminating the mold would likely be a multiple treatment job.
I used white vinegar and a paper towel to remove mold from the fiberglass. There were only a few dots of mold on the fiberglass. Nothing compared to the organic cotton mattress. But still, I learned it also can grow on fiberglass.
Round Two
After I got the bed back together—mostly free of mold—I tasked myself with constructing a prevention plan. Even though my cold weather situation wasn’t going to change any time soon, I hoped there were proactive steps I could take to prevent future mold growth.
The plan:
- Keep a window cracked at all times. I figured it was the equivalent of drilling a hole. It wasn’t that fun during the really cold temperatures, but I did it anyway.
- Turn on the overhead fan on the setting to suck air out every time I used the cooktop stove.
- Lay a sheet (yep, king-sized folded over multiple times) on the fiberglass below my mattress thinking it might absorb moisture before it got into the mattress.
- Turn 180 degrees for sleep. I had started with my head at the end of the trailer, next to the nightstand. (You might remember when I introduced the trailer that one of my complaints was Oliver put the additional reading lights I’d purchased at the foot of the bed where they don’t do much good for extra light to read by.) With my head down by the nightstand, air was more stagnant because I was surrounded on three sides. By changing positions and moving my head to where my feet were, I opened up one side. And as an added bonus, I could now use the reading light.
Then the Really Cold Temperatures Hit
And here’s where things got interesting.
During my two weeks in Tennessee and the first month in Walla Walla, the temperatures were in the 40s and 50s during the day and down to 30s and 40s at night.
As an Alaskan, I defined a hot summer day as anything over 65 degrees. So, overall, I found my first six weeks quite pleasant. Yes, it was cold if the dog wanted to go out in the middle of the night or when I walked to the showers in the early morning hours. But after the sun came up and added 10 or 15 degrees to the day, I was comfortable.
A week before Christmas, the temperatures dipped. Actually, they dove. A few days before Christmas, Walla Walla got a dump of snow and a few days after, there was a fairly severe ice storm. For three weeks, daytime temperatures were in the mid and high 20s. Nighttime temperatures were in the teens. The single coldest overnight was 12 degrees. That night, my water line froze.
In other words: day and night, it was cold. The space heater ran constantly inside the trailer and still it never truly felt warm. I didn’t run the furnace as much as I could have but I didn’t want to deal with a propane refill in the middle of all that cold. I saved the propane for cooking and showering. Showering, I say, because when it was that cold and slippery outside I no longer wanted to walk to the showers.
Then I noticed something. Streams of water running down the trailer walls. Condensation was no longer this invisible demon I was battling. I could see the enemy as it crawled down the wall right to the mattress and seat cushions.
If there was a way to prevent the stream, I certainly didn’t know it. And since my proactive approach wasn’t working, I went into reactive mode. I stuffed towels—bath-size towels—where the stream came into contact with the mattress and cushions.
The water was such that I had to replace the towels every 24 – 48 hours. I had a set of towels hanging around the rig drying, preparing to replace the towels that were absorbing water.
Then I realized something interesting. And, I’m sure, something telling. Though I still don’t know what it’s telling me.
Exactly one stream ran down from each window. And, in the exact same place. Six inches from the edge of the window, on the side that opened (the side where the screen is for fresh air), was where water dripped. There must be something about the construction of the windows that “gathers” the moisture to that location.
If anyone has any insight into this, I would love to hear it. I’m at a complete loss.
When I left Walla Walla and made my way to Northern California where temperatures were once again more reasonable, the stream stopped. I did another bleach treatment to the mattress. And, I suspect, it is going to need another one in order to get rid of it all. It’s hard to get it all at once without completely drowning the mattress in bleach.
Conclusion
It sucks that I’ll never have the beautiful perfect mattress that I left the Oliver factory with. Because of the one rounded corner and the size, the mattress is custom-made. And pricey. I paid $800 for it, almost the same price I paid for the king-size pillow-top mattress I used in my sticks-and-bricks.
My cushions are dark gray, too dark to see if I have the telltale sign of mold. Black dots. I haven’t sprayed bleach on those as I fear the treatment will discolor the cushions. I don’t care about the color change of the mattress because it is covered by sheets and blankets. But the cushions are part of the decor of the rig. I did space heater them dry. And crossed my fingers.
As I write this, I am in much warmer temperatures—50s, 60s and low 70s. Nights still are in the 30s and 40s. But no sign of the scary rivers created during the really cold days.
It was never in my RV plans to be in cold weather. I simply had enough of it living in Alaska for 24 years. The experience I’ve had with growing mold has me even more committed to staying out of the cold.
Still, it makes me a little sad. One of the reasons I bought the four-season trailer was I didn’t want to limit my travels. I knew that after a few years of nothing but sun, I might be ready to finally learn to snow shoe or cross country ski. But my recent experience certainly has given me pause. I will think twice before heading into weather that falls below 30 degrees.
If you have any words of wisdom, I would be grateful. It is not in my budget to frequently replace an $800 mattress. Nor should it have to be.
Thanks for the subject!
I bought a Casita thinking it would not leak as I am sure you did. I am very allergic to mold. No one mentioned condensation. To me water in a trailer is water in a trailer and my issue has been controlling humidity to stop inside dampness.
A small trailer with a 28pt dehumidifier to control interior wetness depending upon climate. Yes, no one ever mentioned this and a tiny dehumidifier does nothing. Makes me wonder what small trailers are almost perfect for healthy fulltime living. Mindy of TAB fame takes hers to snowbound sites, never a mention of mold or condensation.
Thanks for the comment and observation, Pete. Casita’s have that mouse fur on the walls. I wonder if that helps at all. One of the solutions I’m experimenting now with is Damprid. It comes in several formats. I bought the one that hangs up. And after about five weeks, it has gathered probably 2 cups of water from the air. Because I’m no longer in the really cold climate, I cannot do an apples-to-apples comparison, to see if it wouldn’t make a real difference. I have heard the same thing you said: the little dehumidifiers don’t do anything.
Yeah, someone like Mandy or anyone in a really small space would probably see the issues before you and me, especially now that she travels with her partner, thus doubling the carbon dioxide when they are sleeping. I’m baffled why others haven’t talked about it. I cannot imagine it’s because they don’t have the problem. If you ever come across a brilliant solution, please share it with me.
So sorry to hear about the mold. Have you contacted the manufacturer? I once soaked a pair of shoelaces in straight bleach and they fell apart. I would hate for your mattress fibers to break down. Toby and I once skied in Taos, NM and he said it does not get as cold there so that may be an option for you. Happy Valentine’s Day … 35 years for us. Be well. Love, Marie
Happy Anniversary! I didn’t even think about possible damage to the fibers. Maybe that’s why the diluted solution is recommended.
Interesting post. You’re probably right about the Oliver being too airtight. We had a somewhat similar problem, except that we weren’t in extreme temperatures like you were. We were in Whitehorse, YT for a week, my husband was sick and he would alternate between fever and chills. I was constantly changing the sheets on the side of the bed he sleeps on because when he had the chills, he would sweat. The bottom of the mattress would then become wet. I can guess where the condensation came from, but upon doing research on the internet, it turns out there were a few Airstream owners who encountered moisture under their mattresses. It turns out body heat + cool air in the storage compartment = condensation. I know just breathing creates condensation, which is why it’s a good idea to have a vent or window cracked open. We didn’t have any mold, maybe because I caught it right away and we dried the bottom of the mattress as soon as we realized what was happening. We solved the temperature extreme issue by buying a sheet of that pink insulation and cutting it to fit under the mattress. The side I sleep on is over the furnace and water heater; I don’t know if that’s why there was never any condensation there.
We have had complete interior condensation twice; both times going from colder weather to a warm, rainy (or humid) climate. It never happened in our Casita, which had carpeted walls. Or maybe we just didn’t see it because of the carpet.
Marsha, what kind of pink insulation are you talking about? If it’s the fiberglass type, you need to get rid of that right away and decontaminate your abode. Those fibers can cause lung cancer.
Look for insulation that’s a solid material and low in Volatile Organic Compounds such as formaldehyde.
It’s the pink foam insulation, so I think I’m good. Thank you for your concern.
You know, Marsha, I kept thinking “how the heck can we breath this much of a problem.” But your formula to include body heat plus the temperature differential actually helps, especially when I add into the mix the fact that I wasn’t running furnace much which would make the compartment below even colder. And I can only imagine how much harder it is to battle when one is sick but it sounds like you were on it. I hope your hubby will do the same for you if you get sick. 🙂 I’m going to be investing in a few solutions and hopefully the combination of them will solve my issue. Well, that and staying the heck out of the cold.
Sorry you went through/are going through this. Mold and mildew both very unhealthy. Even if you’re healthy to start, mold/mildew can turn you into one sick puppy!
Use vinegar, plain white vinegar in the wash and on your fabrics and walls to help keep mold at bay. Much safer for your lungs, eyes, and immune system. Dilute with water 50% or more, depending. Put a cup into all your wash loads.
I know nothing about trailers, but an exhaust fan may help. Do you have one over the stove?
Thanks Rebecca. I might try that because I was a tad worried about bleach in my small confined area. I seem to have it under a control now and my biggest hope is to try to avoid the situation in the first place. But presumably it isn’t completely unavoidable. I do have a fan above the kitchen area and it has multiple setting, including one where it pulls the air out of the rig. That’s the setting I use when I’m cooking. Thanks for your input. It is appreciated.
Oh, Debbie, what a nightmare! It was FOUR degrees when we arrived in Hohenwald the night before our orientation. We ate dinner at Wal-Mart because the weather shut the town down. The next night, you know, the honeymoon, the night to be the first one in our Ollie, it was NINE degrees. I said no way & we stayed at the B&B again. Anyway … the 2nd night we were in Wind Creek State Park in Alexander City, AL where it was a balmy 19 degrees & we woke up the following morning to sweaty walls. The 3rd night we were in the Florida panhandle & back to our normal humid winter. Mold & mildew are a part of life here, but sweaty walls? No thank you.
PS, us Floridians rinse whatever we bleach with diluted vinegar. It’s supposed to stop bleach from continuing to eat whatever it touched, like refrigerator seals & hopefully, mattresses.
Oh, sad. It’s hard when you are so excited to get your new trailer and then end up in a hotel. But better to be nice and comfy. You definitely had it through the range on the thermometer in a very short amount of time. I love your idea–first bleach, then vinegar. And if it works in Florida, it will certainly work in my little ol’ Ollie! Besides weather issues, how are you liking your new trailer? If I remember right, it was Shallow Gal 3.
Actually, vinegar will kill mold and mildew, so no need to use bleach.
Hello Debbie, I would run the propane heater more because the heater fan will move the air around.
Thanks, Arlie. I think you might be right. You want to know why? I am currently having another cold weather issue. I’m still trying to get it diagnosed with the help of Oliver, but it looks like I have a cracked check valve at the water connection. I ran my furnace some because I knew I was supposed to to keep things below the rig from freezing but I’m starting to think I didn’t do it nearly enough. The bottom line for me is that I just need to stay the heck out of cold weather!
There are various products for this exact problem. They allow ventilation under the mattress. Here is an example:
https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?id=1818021
We haven’t tried it yet in our Oliver as we haven’t been able to spend much time camping since we picked up in October, but some sort of ventilation is on my list of things to address.
Also google “under mattress ventilation” and there are other options as well as links to various RV and boat forums.
Gosh, I never even heard of one of these. I was pleasantly surprised when I clicked on your link and saw how inexpensive they were. I’m going to get one ordered right away. I’m willing to try a variety of things until I find the perfect combination to not have to deal with this in the future. Thanks for the comment and I will report back to you and let you know how it works. I hope you get to spend time in your Ollie soon.
My husband reminded me of this system (which is what he is leaning toward). It not only combats mold but adds support.
http://www.nickleatlantic.com
Those look interesting. Thanks for the led. I put it on my list this week to order something to help combat the problem.
Angela, so good to see your tip! I love the Internet so we can share our burdens and find answers from friends!
Hi Debbie, great topic! You need to go to the Facebook page for Oliver Travel Trailer Owners. There are posts there about the condensation. It is really important to run the furnace when it is freezing as this is what helps the trailer to be a 4 season trailer as the air is then circulated throughout as is necessary. Also that defender.com product in the reply above is supposed to protect the mattress. You don’t need to spend that kind of money for a mattress. I bought a queen (60” wide) 6” memory foam mattress from Amazon for $95.00 and cut it in half with an electric knife (cuts it like it was butter) then cut each length to 75”, Oliver gave me the radius corner measurement which I drew with a sharpie and cut the curve. Jack was used to our gel foam mattress topper on our bed so I ordered one of those in queen size for $70 and did the same cuts for it. Super comfy beds at a super price. Cuts may sound complicated but really isn’t at all, 30 minutes and done. So sorry you have had these problems, part of the learning curve I guess, though some forewarning would have been nice. spring is a comin’.
Thanks, Trish. I actually didn’t know about the Oliver FB Group. I’ve been on the Forum that the Oliver website hosts. I did look but didn’t see anything on the subject. My bed is comfortable but I have been wondering if the mattress was a worthy upgrade or not. In the next few months I want to do a post on the subject so I’ve been particularly thinking about what upgrades have been worth the extra cost and what ones haven’t. Thanks for another shout-out for the defender. It is on my list of things to do this week to order one…well two. I hope that, plus staying out of really cold temperatures, plus running the furnace more will stave off future mold problems. Hey, how is Jack’s leg doing? I hope he is healing.
Trish and Debbie:
Super helpful info. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and solutions.
Questions:
A. Did you put the 6″ memory foam over the defender or just put it on the Ollie sleeping surface?
B. What did you do with the standard Oliver twin mattress?
Thank you,
Geronimo John
Hi! Glad the info helped. My biggest hope in writing the post was to maybe help someone else avoid the mold issue. Or at the very least to make people aware that it happens and it can be quick. I certainly had no idea when I started out. To answer your questions, I just got my Defender box and need to cut it down to fit the area. But it will go on the bottom, then my mattress on top of that, then a couple inch memory foam I bought. I kept the mattress after treating it with the bleach solution. Once I month, I flip it up to inspect it and blast the space heater at it just to dry up any bits of trapped moisture. My hope is the defender will make it so I don’t have to do that anymore. Time will tell. I bought the memory foam before I had the trailer because I saw others had but I really am not sure it’s needed with the mattress. Certainly, it would help if you only had the standard trailer cushions. Thanks for reading and joining in the conversation!
The hypervent layer was one of the first things we bought when we started! It’s a must-have for RVs and boats because of the wooden bed base in these units.. It’s been 2.5 years (we transferred it to our 2nd and current rig) and we haven’t had issues with any of the mattresses we’ve had. Another tip, if the bed is against the wall on any side (ours is against the wall at the head end), is to place a pool noodle or something similar between the wall and the side of the bed. That way there is always a little gap in between.
Forgot to add that we bought ours from Mattress Insider and they asked for measurements so that what they send you is already pre-cut and fits what you need.
Marie, Thanks for the tip. I’d never heard of the pool noodle one before and it makes perfect sense. Next time I to a gadget or hack post, I’m going to include that one. Lots of people have figured out the hypervent hack. Unfortunately for me, I learned it after I had mold. Now the best I can do it try to let others know. It’s just amazing how much there is to learn when you are new. Thank you!
I am completely surprised that no one has mentioned using a dehumidifier. You can get a dehumidifier that will completely handle issues in a small RV, for around $200. Set it in the shower and let the water drain out continually, no need to empty it frequently. Combine with the Hypervent material under a mattress and you will not have mold issues at all.
Thanks, Diane. I see lots of chatter about them on Facebook groups. I think part of the problem with the Oliver is tightly sealed they are. So, for me, a dehumidifier plus keeping the window cracked a tiny bit helps a lot.